I have now watched the debate in full. I am not convinced by the Tory Health Minister's re-assurances: he does not seem to understand the difference between the IHR amendments and the New Pandemic Treaty , and seems to keep referring to them as the "Pandemic Accord", without explaining what he means. He keeps saying that the process is a consensus of member states and that the UK's team of civil servants is studying the new IHR amendments and will not agree to anything that will result in handing over UK sovereignty to the WHO.
BUT, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE DONE THIS ALREADY, as the Dec 1st deadline has passed for submitting concerns/objections. So what have they been doing for 18 months? And would they be doing ANYTHING at all if this petition had not been submitted. Sadly nobody asked this.
As James said in #4 of the 12 issues, the UK gov has failed -SO FAR- to submit the 2022 amendments to the UK Parliament for a 21 day review, as is its duty. Does it plan to do so NOW after the deadline has passed - just in order to check off a box? Either they believe that deadline was meaningless, ( India has only just objected to the new amendments, see https://open.substack.com/pub/merylnass/p/prominent-citizens-in-south-africa?r=r30pq&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web )
OR they don't have and never had any intention of objecting to ANY of the amendments.
P.S. my money is on the latter; the UK Tory Party (and Labour) leaders are using the pre-existing narrative re. WHO, Covid , future pandemics etc and obfuscating the truth. I can only conclude that they must therefore be COMPLICIT in orchestrating the WHO's global power grab.
It's just as well we, the people, decided on November the 30th 2023, that the CORRUPT World Health Organisation is now redundant, obsolete and therefor terminated from all opinions, decisions and interference of international health matters.
Significant ground has been broken with this Debate. We now have an Official Public Record of it. We have gone from "no one was suppose to know anything about this" to an expanding Forum of Discussion. The date has "passed" but the legality of the claims are clearly dubious. So the date has "passed" argument is not valid.
Thanks James, but I wish that these had been held a bit later in the week. I'm a Brit currently living abroad (EST ) and still have not had time to watch the entire monday debate video and I have been out all day today and only just saw your email when I got back. So I only caught the last 15 mins of the last zoom, and had not even thought about anything I wanted to ask/discuss about the debate. I will finish watching Mondays's debate , then watch all the zoom videos.
Well, I think so - yes! That would be great! But only if others agree, obviously. If you decide to, perhaps invite Dr. Tess Lawrie,who launched the petition and was in the public are , but was not allowed to speak. I saw her recent discussion with Richard Vobes on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9pfo2F5Wt8) about her prepping the MP who was supposed to open the debate and how he was just suspended by the Tory party a few days ago!!! That was interesting. She may have some more comments now- just a thought
As I said below, we need another petition now to keep up the pressure on Parliament, but not sure exactly what topic. We only have until May, but with your help and hers we could get 100K signatures fairly fast
“We should never think that we can't exit out of a situation, no matter how overwhelmingly oppressive and all-powerful it may seem — IT IS NOT — and one of the first steps to that is to actually recognize that you play a role in the the reality that you are living in, and we have more power than than we realize.”
“… the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy.”
When the old guy, Christopher Chope, who has been talking out for a long time about speeding up the process for compensation to vaccine injured, held up Pierre Kory's book on war against Ivermectin and quoted from it and lives saved, so no need for experimental injections, he got shutt down by chairperson for promoting Amazon books. The slimeball representing government said we don't need to know which aspects of reforms government accepts or those which it draws a red line to, which competely defeated public petition which none of the MPs raised issue to.
I watched it live. I also watched your talk with the Spanish guy. Yes, totally agree they all missed the mark and I'd say deliberately. Lots of these people are put out there to be heros, ala Albert Pike's "If they want a hero, well, we'll give them a hero!" I saw a couple in the public area also. Bridgen says he got advice from the Swiss lawyer. Why didn't he mention the date had passed? Duh! PS. A lot of these heros perform similar hand gestures, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. There is no democracy, never was, but now we can easily see.
I thought it was odd that nobody mentioned that the government deliberately ran down the clock by setting a debate date after the deadline would be passed. But I do think that Andrew bridgen ( and some others ) are quite genuine in their motives. Bridgen is at least doing something - he organized the Dec 4th presentation by Doctors Kory, Cole, Malone, Yeadon & McCullough and S Kirsch. It definitely had an impact on MPs who attended (more than I expected). The word is spreading. Kudos to Tess Lawrie for starting this petition, but now we need another one to follow it up. Not sure yet of the subject.
Hi there! How about some support to me who has promoted you all over Norway? We lost over here 112 yey 55 ney! I have panic for what migth happen to us! This is a disaster! I expected some uplifting words from you but no nothing!
I allready send you one feedback on this but you didn't react on it so thanks for nothing!
This is the first time this is entering my awareness. To what type of vote are you referring? Call me anytime via Signal, Telegram or WhatsApp +1 310-619-3055 or Skype: james.roguski
Hi, all our governments work for the cabal, they used to hide it, but now don't care and there are no different parties, just the illusion to fool us that we live in a democratic country. My MP in UK just sends out government standard template letters or ignores me. I think any new MP soon realises to make waves gets nowhere for their "career" in politics so they become Yes men/women. I think they all have to take drama lessons in order to progress.
Quite a shock for them, no doubt, but have we really left? Our arms sales and military involvement, setting up of european army. Boris stepping in to halt peace talks April 2022, now 750,000 or more dead men but we managed to sell Ukraine more arms, yipee! There is already this one world government, and my view is that the follies of each government, ministers, are all orchestrated to make us believe we are governedd by complete idiots that can't govern or be trusted so when they offer the solution of the global, AI, government, and this is what it's really about, technocracy, we will eembrace it, living in a SIM city, 5g, surveillance cameras, CBDCs, carbon allowances. Then total control, of our bodies too. Brave New World with 1984 overtones.
All that you describe is why this Crisis is occurring. It has been unfolded since WW1. The root cause is 100 % psychological. It is occurring because we have allowed it. Our priorities must shift from the "cozy benefits" of Empire to engagement and personal sacrifice. The capable tend to shy away from occupations that deal with the Public because they are high sacrifice for relatively low pay when compared to market orientated stuff. I have nothing against making money. But when it "greases the wheels" of decision making - we have a problem. The choice is stark - enslavement vs enlightenment.
You are correct; British politics is just like "Yes, Minister". Actually , I think they all need to grow a pair. Kemi Badenoch seems to have done. And Andrew Bridgen has presented enough times on controversial (Covid-related) topics to an empty house, so he gets my vote.
Thank you for this James. I was logged in yesterday via a link Tess provided for 4 hrs in total and listened to debates on pot holes, animal welfare etc. and was so disappointed to not hear this. I will try to listen today as not sure what happened. Thank you for all your great work.
Susan, I had the same trouble, the main live debate is from the Commons Chamber whereas the IHR debate was in Westminster Hall, a separate room entirely. Eventually found the navigation route https://www.parliamentlive.tv - Events - Mon 18 Dec - Westminster Hall - <scroll bar at bottom of the timetable> 16:30 ... to find what we were looking for. You have to give your name and email to see and/or listen to what happened. They send you a link permission. I got there over an hour late. Hahaha
I have now watched the debate in full. I am not convinced by the Tory Health Minister's re-assurances: he does not seem to understand the difference between the IHR amendments and the New Pandemic Treaty , and seems to keep referring to them as the "Pandemic Accord", without explaining what he means. He keeps saying that the process is a consensus of member states and that the UK's team of civil servants is studying the new IHR amendments and will not agree to anything that will result in handing over UK sovereignty to the WHO.
BUT, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE DONE THIS ALREADY, as the Dec 1st deadline has passed for submitting concerns/objections. So what have they been doing for 18 months? And would they be doing ANYTHING at all if this petition had not been submitted. Sadly nobody asked this.
As James said in #4 of the 12 issues, the UK gov has failed -SO FAR- to submit the 2022 amendments to the UK Parliament for a 21 day review, as is its duty. Does it plan to do so NOW after the deadline has passed - just in order to check off a box? Either they believe that deadline was meaningless, ( India has only just objected to the new amendments, see https://open.substack.com/pub/merylnass/p/prominent-citizens-in-south-africa?r=r30pq&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web )
OR they don't have and never had any intention of objecting to ANY of the amendments.
P.S. my money is on the latter; the UK Tory Party (and Labour) leaders are using the pre-existing narrative re. WHO, Covid , future pandemics etc and obfuscating the truth. I can only conclude that they must therefore be COMPLICIT in orchestrating the WHO's global power grab.
It's just as well we, the people, decided on November the 30th 2023, that the CORRUPT World Health Organisation is now redundant, obsolete and therefor terminated from all opinions, decisions and interference of international health matters.
The World Health Organisation no longer exists .
We, the people, have spoken!
Mick from Hooe (UK) Unjabbed to live longer!
Thanks Maurice! Mick.
Sorry I was unable to attend. :-(
Significant ground has been broken with this Debate. We now have an Official Public Record of it. We have gone from "no one was suppose to know anything about this" to an expanding Forum of Discussion. The date has "passed" but the legality of the claims are clearly dubious. So the date has "passed" argument is not valid.
Here is all the info. from the British Petitions Committee on the Debate -
Watch the debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAs1cmIPXoc
Read the transcript: https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-12-18/debates/945EBBB4-D052-4CF7-8109-B39FF7FF919D/InternationalHealthRegulations2005
The Petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/635904
shit
You got that right!
Thanks James, but I wish that these had been held a bit later in the week. I'm a Brit currently living abroad (EST ) and still have not had time to watch the entire monday debate video and I have been out all day today and only just saw your email when I got back. So I only caught the last 15 mins of the last zoom, and had not even thought about anything I wanted to ask/discuss about the debate. I will finish watching Mondays's debate , then watch all the zoom videos.
The British Petitions Committee has sent out the full versions of everything. I have posted the addresses above.
Thanks , Deb.
Sounds like a request to hold some additional zoom meetings. Do you think I should?
Well, I think so - yes! That would be great! But only if others agree, obviously. If you decide to, perhaps invite Dr. Tess Lawrie,who launched the petition and was in the public are , but was not allowed to speak. I saw her recent discussion with Richard Vobes on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9pfo2F5Wt8) about her prepping the MP who was supposed to open the debate and how he was just suspended by the Tory party a few days ago!!! That was interesting. She may have some more comments now- just a thought
She has a post debate vid also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxgdZPPxCi8
As I said below, we need another petition now to keep up the pressure on Parliament, but not sure exactly what topic. We only have until May, but with your help and hers we could get 100K signatures fairly fast
Yeah, UK is a bunch of idiots to Daily and then all the Muslim terrorist
“We should never think that we can't exit out of a situation, no matter how overwhelmingly oppressive and all-powerful it may seem — IT IS NOT — and one of the first steps to that is to actually recognize that you play a role in the the reality that you are living in, and we have more power than than we realize.”
— Cynthia Chung
📌 Mel K & Cynthia Chung | Defeating Tyranny & Avoiding Tragedy
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Following The Star
“… the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy.”
— Matthew 2:9-10 🙏 UNITE
When the old guy, Christopher Chope, who has been talking out for a long time about speeding up the process for compensation to vaccine injured, held up Pierre Kory's book on war against Ivermectin and quoted from it and lives saved, so no need for experimental injections, he got shutt down by chairperson for promoting Amazon books. The slimeball representing government said we don't need to know which aspects of reforms government accepts or those which it draws a red line to, which competely defeated public petition which none of the MPs raised issue to.
I watched it live. I also watched your talk with the Spanish guy. Yes, totally agree they all missed the mark and I'd say deliberately. Lots of these people are put out there to be heros, ala Albert Pike's "If they want a hero, well, we'll give them a hero!" I saw a couple in the public area also. Bridgen says he got advice from the Swiss lawyer. Why didn't he mention the date had passed? Duh! PS. A lot of these heros perform similar hand gestures, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. There is no democracy, never was, but now we can easily see.
I thought it was odd that nobody mentioned that the government deliberately ran down the clock by setting a debate date after the deadline would be passed. But I do think that Andrew bridgen ( and some others ) are quite genuine in their motives. Bridgen is at least doing something - he organized the Dec 4th presentation by Doctors Kory, Cole, Malone, Yeadon & McCullough and S Kirsch. It definitely had an impact on MPs who attended (more than I expected). The word is spreading. Kudos to Tess Lawrie for starting this petition, but now we need another one to follow it up. Not sure yet of the subject.
Hi there! How about some support to me who has promoted you all over Norway? We lost over here 112 yey 55 ney! I have panic for what migth happen to us! This is a disaster! I expected some uplifting words from you but no nothing!
I allready send you one feedback on this but you didn't react on it so thanks for nothing!
Merry christmas!
Bjørn leif-oscar Liptovari
This is the first time this is entering my awareness. To what type of vote are you referring? Call me anytime via Signal, Telegram or WhatsApp +1 310-619-3055 or Skype: james.roguski
How can I help?
Hi, all our governments work for the cabal, they used to hide it, but now don't care and there are no different parties, just the illusion to fool us that we live in a democratic country. My MP in UK just sends out government standard template letters or ignores me. I think any new MP soon realises to make waves gets nowhere for their "career" in politics so they become Yes men/women. I think they all have to take drama lessons in order to progress.
So how did Brexit happen ???? It was public pressure. The MP's responded to competition from UKIP.
Quite a shock for them, no doubt, but have we really left? Our arms sales and military involvement, setting up of european army. Boris stepping in to halt peace talks April 2022, now 750,000 or more dead men but we managed to sell Ukraine more arms, yipee! There is already this one world government, and my view is that the follies of each government, ministers, are all orchestrated to make us believe we are governedd by complete idiots that can't govern or be trusted so when they offer the solution of the global, AI, government, and this is what it's really about, technocracy, we will eembrace it, living in a SIM city, 5g, surveillance cameras, CBDCs, carbon allowances. Then total control, of our bodies too. Brave New World with 1984 overtones.
All that you describe is why this Crisis is occurring. It has been unfolded since WW1. The root cause is 100 % psychological. It is occurring because we have allowed it. Our priorities must shift from the "cozy benefits" of Empire to engagement and personal sacrifice. The capable tend to shy away from occupations that deal with the Public because they are high sacrifice for relatively low pay when compared to market orientated stuff. I have nothing against making money. But when it "greases the wheels" of decision making - we have a problem. The choice is stark - enslavement vs enlightenment.
You are correct; British politics is just like "Yes, Minister". Actually , I think they all need to grow a pair. Kemi Badenoch seems to have done. And Andrew Bridgen has presented enough times on controversial (Covid-related) topics to an empty house, so he gets my vote.
Thank you for this James. I was logged in yesterday via a link Tess provided for 4 hrs in total and listened to debates on pot holes, animal welfare etc. and was so disappointed to not hear this. I will try to listen today as not sure what happened. Thank you for all your great work.
Susan, I had the same trouble, the main live debate is from the Commons Chamber whereas the IHR debate was in Westminster Hall, a separate room entirely. Eventually found the navigation route https://www.parliamentlive.tv - Events - Mon 18 Dec - Westminster Hall - <scroll bar at bottom of the timetable> 16:30 ... to find what we were looking for. You have to give your name and email to see and/or listen to what happened. They send you a link permission. I got there over an hour late. Hahaha
I watched it live without any of my details being required.
Yes, you are right. My mistake. I had to give my email to allow a download.
The petition was 'resolved' at 18:27 - an hour less than the allotted time.
Hi James! Can you give us a list of the 12 items that were NOT discussed please? Mick from Hooe (UK).
The list was give on James' previous post https://jamesroguski.substack.com/p/watch-the-uk-parliament-debate
Thanks