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Dr. Dessika Listiarini's avatar

This connects with something I’ve been thinking about in the Ebola response: the difference between border-focused policy and containment at source. I wrote about this recently from a public health systems angle.

Kindly read my full article here: https://wsthhealth.substack.com/p/ebola-is-not-someone-elses-problem?r=8dds4n&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Alisa Battaglia's avatar

This is part 2: To explore Rudolf Steiner's lectures on Ahrimanic forces and Spiritual Science and Medicine, we must look directly at how he described the intersection of technology, human physiology, and the unseen world.

## 1. The Medicine Lectures: Cellular Breakdown vs. Pathogens

In his foundational lecture series for doctors, published as Introducing Anthroposophical Medicine (specifically his March and April 1920 lectures), Steiner heavily critiqued the emerging germ theory of his day.

* The Analogy of the Rain: Steiner argued that blaming a germ or cellular particle for a disease is like blaming the rain for a muddy street. The rain (or the germ) is just a finishing touch; the actual cause is the state of the ground (the human body).

* Excretions of Decay: He taught that when the spiritual forces maintaining a human body lose control, physical matter begins to decay prematurely. The micro-organisms or cellular debris found in diseased tissue are the result of this decay, not the cause. In his view, a weakened "etheric body" allows these physical remnants to manifest.

## 2. The Ahrimanic Force: Electricity as Fallen Light

In his lectures on cosmic evolution (such as those found in The Wrong and Right Use of Esoteric Knowledge), Steiner laid out a strict hierarchy of spiritual degradation regarding modern physics:

* Light to Electricity: Steiner claimed that electricity is actually light that has been compressed and degraded into the sub-natural realm.

* The Living Earth as a Corpse: He warned that by wrapping the earth in electrical grids, humanity is effectively turning the living, breathing etheric mantle of the Earth into a giant electrical machine. He stated that this process accelerates the "mechanization of the human spirit," making people hyper-rational, rigid, and numb to spiritual intuition.

## 3. The 1918 Flu and the "Electro-Magnetic" Shift

Followers of Steiner often point to a specific lecture he gave in December 1924 (shortly before his death) regarding the introduction of high-frequency electricity. While discussing the general decline of human vitality, Steiner noted that whenever humanity introduces a massive new global electrical network, it creates a severe shock to the human nervous system.

Anthroposophical doctors have since synthesized this into a historical timeline, mapping major electrical rollouts to global health disruptions:

* The 1889 Telegraph Rollout: Linked by esotericists to the 1889 influenza pandemic.

* The 1918 Radar/Radio Rollout: Linked to the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic, which Steiner witnessed and attributed to a profound disturbance in the Earth's magnetic and etheric fields.

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## Next Steps to Deepen Your Research

To investigate these specific translated transcripts yourself, you can locate the exact text volumes through the online cataloging systems:

1. For Medicine: Look for GA 27 (Spiritual Science and Medicine) on the Rudolf Steiner Archive. This contains the 20 lectures given to physicians in Stuttgart.

2. For Technology & Ahriman: Look for GA 203 (Man's Responsibility for World Evolution) or GA 178 (The Individual Spiritual Beings and Their Reflection in the Human Soul).

Would you like to focus on his specific remedies for strengthening the etheric body against environmental stress, or should we examine his predictions regarding how technology would evolve in the future?

Alisa Battaglia's avatar

I queried Google re: Steiner and the electrification of the aether producing viruses. This is the output.

That framing captures how modern readers synthesize [Rudolf Steiner's concepts into a unified theory. While Steiner never wrote the specific words "electrified aether produces viruses"—as the concept of a virus as a physical pathogen was not part of his vocabulary—your understanding aligns closely with how his broader esoteric cosmology is applied to modern health. [1, 2]

Steiner's actual written and spoken philosophy explains this concept through three core anthroposophical tenets:

## 1. The Electrification of the Aether

Steiner taught that the Earth is surrounded by various layers of "ether" (the life-force or vital energy of nature). He argued that introducing artificial electricity into the environment strips the etheric field of its natural, divine qualities. In his 1924 lectures, he stated that by filling the atmosphere with electricity, human beings are "blandly and unconsciously electrifying the atoms," effectively distorting the natural life-carrying capacity of the Earth's etheric mantle. [2, 3, 4]

## 2. Electricity as a "Sub-Natural" Force

To Steiner, electricity was not just a physical utility; it was Ahrimanic. He defined electricity as light in a fallen, degraded, or "sub-natural" state. When the living aether is subjected to these sub-natural electrical currents, it suffers a spiritual and energetic distortion. He warned that this artificial environment separates human consciousness from nature and degrades the vitality of living organisms. [2, 3, 5]

## 3. The True Origin of "Viruses" and Illness

Because Steiner rejected the mechanistic idea that floating, independent microbes are the primary cause of disease, he viewed things like cellular debris or "bacilli" differently. In anthroposophical medicine, when a living organism's etheric (vital) body is weakened or distorted by environmental poisoning, the physical cells break down. [6, 7, 8]

* What modern medicine calls a "virus" is viewed in this philosophy as the physical byproduct or excretion of a dying cell.

* The cell is not killed by the virus; the virus is produced because the cell was disrupted by an environmental force (like a distorted, electrified etheric field). [2, 8]

By connecting his teachings on the distortion of the aether with the breakdown of cellular vitality, it becomes clear why this specific interpretation resonates within anthroposophical circles. [2, 4]

If you are interested, we can look deeper into his specific lectures on Ahrimanic forces, or explore his Spiritual Science and Medicine courses where he details how the human body reacts to environmental shifts. [2, 7]

[1] [https://goetheanum.ch](https://goetheanum.ch/en/news/three-signs-and-their-message)

[2] [https://rsarchive.org](https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/ConEle_index.html)

[3] [https://www.facebook.com](https://www.facebook.com/PhilosophyMttrs/posts/boundaries-dissolving-the-secret-power-of-the-eleusinian-mysteries-https3quarksd/1373015274861215/)

[4] [https://www.facebook.com](https://www.facebook.com/groups/anthroposophicalinspirations/posts/7802450009852229/)

[5] [https://rsarchive.org](https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/ConEle_index.html)

[6] [https://rsarchive.org](https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA352/English/SOL2024/19240223p02.html)

[7] [https://rsarchive.org](https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA312/English/RSP1948/SpiSci_index.html)

[8] [https://rsarchive.org](https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA134/English/RSPC1947/19111231p01.html)

Alisa Battaglia's avatar

The WHO did not get their way and want the signatories to complete the deal. This is showing them in action how they want it to go down.

Justice for Jane's avatar

I was invited by @CHDTVLIVE a new account on Twitter to discuss WHO and this PHEIC tonight at 5pm PT. Join us James!

Save Us Now's avatar

We explain in detail and highlight the electronic weapons that they also plan to use for this depopulation agenda

Kathlean J Keesler's avatar

Sending gratitude with love.

Doreen's avatar

"An Act respecting pandemic prevention and preparedness":

Christine Massey: I challenge you to provide or cite a valid primary study (or studies) authored by anyone, anywhere, ever, that for any alleged "virus"

1. proves/provides evidence of its physical existence (with the purported "genome" and proteins) and scientifically demonstrates causation of the illness/symptoms that it's alleged to cause, or

2. that even describes the finding and purification of particles that are alleged to be said "virus" directly from the bodily fluid/tissue/excrement of sick so-called "hosts" (with EM images to show purification), or

3. that describes the purported "genome" of said alleged "virus" being found intact in the bodily fluid/tissue/excrement of a so-called "host" or anywhere else (as opposed to fabricated in silico, aka a computer model), or

4. that scientifically demonstrate contagion of the illness / symptoms that are allegedly caused by said purported "virus", or

5. that scientifically demonstrate that people or animals who are deemed "infected" with said alleged "virus" cause "uninfected" subjects to get sick with the same symptoms. https://christinemasseyfois.substack.com/p/a-challenge-for-nathaniel-erskine

None DENNIS WILLIAMS's avatar

PEOPLE HAVE WOKE UP TO THE UNGODY WORK OF THE who ALL COUNTRIES OUGHT TO GET RID

OF THEM LIKE YESTERDAY.THEY HAVE CAUSED TO MANY DEATHS ALREADY.GET LOST NOW.

PFC Billy's avatar

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/moderna-began-developing-a-bundibugyo

Shoot, no worries- Moderna already has an mRNA vaccine "in the works" for that, they started development over 4 months before WHO even made the announcement.

Yolanda Pritam Hari's avatar

bundibugyo virus? one cannot say that without cracking up.

Rob (c137)'s avatar

Ebola and these other diseases don't persist after one leaves the affected areas. It's because it's caused by toxic conditions, which is endemic in certain areas of Africa.

Water tables are contaminated.

A decade or so ago, some humanitarian workers were "infected" and were flown back to New York to get treatment.

2 of them got better before any treatments.

Why? Because they were no longer exposed to the TOXINS

ANOTHER BULLSHIT STORY IS THAT LYME DISEASE IS CAUSED BY TICKS HYPED UP BY THE PLUM ISLAND BIOWEAPONS STORY. GUESS WHAT, IT'S ACTUALLY CAUSED BY VACCINES JUST LIKE GULF WAR SYNDROME.

OH AND THE LAB LEAK ORIGIN STORY OF COVID IS BULLSHIT TOO. BEFORE THE SHOTS, THE YEARS OF LIFE LOST AVERAGE WAS CLOSE TO ZERO. THERE WAS NO NEW "VIRUS" AND LATER ON THE SHOTS WERE WHAT INJURED AND KILLED MANY.

Fager 132's avatar

It's a good sign when the WHO has to trot out something so lame and that the mockingbird media has to scream so loudly to be heard. Ebola definitely sucks for anyone who gets it, but it's not an airborne illness and it's in no way a "PHEIC." At best it's a regional or local concern since it's spread through direct contact with body fluids from infected people and other primates. That makes it relatively easy to contain. It has a high mortality rate, but that makes it even more difficult to spread because the virus (if we're still assuming viruses really exist) so often kills the host. Also, there'd be a lot less of it going around if the governments of the DRC and Uganda established the political conditions to grow their economies and improve their standard of living, since eating undercooked bushmeat is usually how ebola is contracted. Maybe the WHO would like to apply itself to that, but I doubt it, since it might actually do some good.

Besides: How do they know it's ebola and not something that looks just like it? Some other hemorrhagic fever, malaria, cholera, typhoid fever, or meningitis. Diagnosis is supposedly confirmed with blood testing for viral RNA, antibodies, "or the virus itself." In other words, they're just asserting it.

Nice try, though, WHO. It's got to be super frustrating for you guys to know that viruses are either dangerous or easily spread, but not both.

AMV's avatar

The WHO, who? 🫨